Comments on: FloridaLibertarian.com? http://floridalibertarian.com/florida-libertarian/hello-world/ Freedom in the Sunshine State! Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:17:24 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: jim kearney http://floridalibertarian.com/florida-libertarian/hello-world/comment-page-1/#comment-53 jim kearney Sat, 16 May 2009 22:45:50 +0000 http://floridalibertarian.com/?p=1#comment-53 If the people stopped the government from taking the responsibility away from them - this would not be an issue - people are lazy - so lazy - they would even allow others to make choices for them - what did you think the outcome will be The enforcement mechanism is in place - you are correct - it is NOT understood or used properly - probably because people are afraid of war If the mechanisms were properly used - you would not need all the stuff in your thirdly section If the people stopped the government from taking the responsibility away from them – this would not be an issue – people are lazy – so lazy – they would even allow others to make choices for them – what did you think the outcome will be

The enforcement mechanism is in place – you are correct – it is NOT understood or used properly – probably because people are afraid of war

If the mechanisms were properly used – you would not need all the stuff in your thirdly section

]]> By: bruce judelson http://floridalibertarian.com/florida-libertarian/hello-world/comment-page-1/#comment-50 bruce judelson Sat, 16 May 2009 06:16:04 +0000 http://floridalibertarian.com/?p=1#comment-50 for people to accept their responsibility they have to recognize that it is their responsibility and that there are rewards in that. second error is in the design- it is lacking an effectively understood and used enforcement mechanism for guaranteeing that those who transgress against our rights (and this is especially the case for government) will be held to strict account and if convicted of same will bear severe penalty. thirdly-- education, outreach, recruitment of libertarians (not linos or others engaging in inappropriate conduct---as in conduct unbecoming of an officer-- ) followed with activism and electoral success may constitute a guide for that which we are trying to achieve, it is i believe what most (at least of us on this blog at this point) hope for. for people to accept their responsibility they have to recognize that it is their responsibility and that there are rewards in that. second error is in the design- it is lacking an effectively understood and used enforcement mechanism for guaranteeing that those who transgress against our rights (and this is especially the case for government) will be held to strict account and if convicted of same will bear severe penalty. thirdly– education, outreach, recruitment of libertarians (not linos or others engaging in inappropriate conduct—as in conduct unbecoming of an officer– ) followed with activism and electoral success may constitute a guide for that which we are trying to achieve, it is i believe what most (at least of us on this blog at this point) hope for.

]]> By: jim kearney http://floridalibertarian.com/florida-libertarian/hello-world/comment-page-1/#comment-41 jim kearney Fri, 15 May 2009 19:19:42 +0000 http://floridalibertarian.com/?p=1#comment-41 Tried - no it wasn't tried only started. The people allowed their government to get out of control and refused to hold their government accountable - and so - today you have a government run amok. The current president is not a citizen of the country he is running. He is not constitutionally elected. His administration is full of people running around claiming they know how we should be living our lives and everyday they keep moving us closer and closer to another dictatorship. Contrary to popular belief, this cannot be done by using the current system. If this system is broken then something outside the system most step in to fix it. Like math, you will need a higher order of design to fix the lower order. Rudimentary math of one plus one is easy but if you want to introduce variables then you need to move to a higher order like algebra. If you want to get into functions you need a higher order like calculus. If you want to control your government you need a higher order like free people. If you want to control free people you need a higher order like whoever their god is. When the pain on society by, its government imposed slavery, becomes too much; people will rise up and do something about it. Until then, we can only try to keep moving back toward a position that holds our representatives accountable. Even if this means doing it OUTSIDE the realm of political influence and political parties. Tried – no it wasn’t tried only started.

The people allowed their government to get out of control and refused to hold their government accountable – and so – today you have a government run amok.

The current president is not a citizen of the country he is running. He is not constitutionally elected. His administration is full of people running around claiming they know how we should be living our lives and everyday they keep moving us closer and closer to another dictatorship.

Contrary to popular belief, this cannot be done by using the current system. If this system is broken then something outside the system most step in to fix it. Like math, you will need a higher order of design to fix the lower order. Rudimentary math of one plus one is easy but if you want to introduce variables then you need to move to a higher order like algebra. If you want to get into functions you need a higher order like calculus. If you want to control your government you need a higher order like free people. If you want to control free people you need a higher order like whoever their god is.

When the pain on society by, its government imposed slavery, becomes too much; people will rise up and do something about it. Until then, we can only try to keep moving back toward a position that holds our representatives accountable. Even if this means doing it OUTSIDE the realm of political influence and political parties.

]]> By: American Citizen http://floridalibertarian.com/florida-libertarian/hello-world/comment-page-1/#comment-38 American Citizen Fri, 15 May 2009 18:55:55 +0000 http://floridalibertarian.com/?p=1#comment-38 Men are disposed to suffer evil as long as the evil is sufferable. But the long train of abuses and usurpations is back. The government needs a threshing. I, for one, am not ready to throw in the towel on the Great American Experiment of self-government. A constitutional republic. With or without a federal union. Men are disposed to suffer evil as long as the evil is sufferable. But the long train of abuses and usurpations is back. The government needs a threshing.

I, for one, am not ready to throw in the towel on the Great American Experiment of self-government. A constitutional republic. With or without a federal union.

]]> By: seangalt http://floridalibertarian.com/florida-libertarian/hello-world/comment-page-1/#comment-31 seangalt Fri, 15 May 2009 13:26:18 +0000 http://floridalibertarian.com/?p=1#comment-31 I think what you are referring to is "limited government". Correct me if I'm wrong. Hasn't that been tried and it failed? I think what you are referring to is “limited government”. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Hasn’t that been tried and it failed?

]]> By: jim kearney http://floridalibertarian.com/florida-libertarian/hello-world/comment-page-1/#comment-28 jim kearney Fri, 15 May 2009 13:19:48 +0000 http://floridalibertarian.com/?p=1#comment-28 FREE STATE?? You mean we are not free now? What gives you that idea? Don’t we have free choice of the money we use? Don't we have free medical provided to us by the government? Don't we have free schools provided to us by the government? Isn't there free housing provided by the government? Man what more could we ask for. We should all stop working. We should all just live off the government because it’s all free. What a wonderful life that would be. Just think about. 100% of the people able to do anything they want to because they are free. The government can take care of everything for us; give us food, housing, medical, entertainment – everything – all at no cost to us. What a crock. Being free requires that 100% of the people are 100% responsible for 100% of their actions for 100% of the time. I realize the likelihood of that happening is as near to null as you can get. As such, governments are formed. Not all government is bad. A government in place to stop the use of force and fraud against its people in order to maximize their liberties is a just government. The problem rises when said just government over steps their boundaries and thus uses force against in citizens. The initiation of force in any manner is wrong – even if its done by the government in the name of the common good. If you want a free state, it would require two things. First, it would require that the people accept their responsibilities and honor them. Second it would take the government to shrink to the smallest size possible so that it ONLY deals with the protection of its citizens rights. If you can get that to happen, then we can be free. Are you, the reader, ready to fight for it? FREE STATE??

You mean we are not free now?
What gives you that idea?
Don’t we have free choice of the money we use?
Don’t we have free medical provided to us by the government?
Don’t we have free schools provided to us by the government?
Isn’t there free housing provided by the government?

Man what more could we ask for. We should all stop working. We should all just live off the government because it’s all free.

What a wonderful life that would be. Just think about. 100% of the people able to do anything they want to because they are free. The government can take care of everything for us; give us food, housing, medical, entertainment – everything – all at no cost to us.

What a crock. Being free requires that 100% of the people are 100% responsible for 100% of their actions for 100% of the time. I realize the likelihood of that happening is as near to null as you can get. As such, governments are formed.

Not all government is bad. A government in place to stop the use of force and fraud against its people in order to maximize their liberties is a just government. The problem rises when said just government over steps their boundaries and thus uses force against in citizens. The initiation of force in any manner is wrong – even if its done by the government in the name of the common good.

If you want a free state, it would require two things. First, it would require that the people accept their responsibilities and honor them. Second it would take the government to shrink to the smallest size possible so that it ONLY deals with the protection of its citizens rights. If you can get that to happen, then we can be free. Are you, the reader, ready to fight for it?

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